Comments on: Stoning Young Girls Redux & the Sexes http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/ Back Room Disputations Resulting in Truthful Gestations Sat, 12 May 2012 20:58:39 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Milan http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/comment-page-1/#comment-62 Milan Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:06:13 +0000 http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/#comment-62 Besides, what's wrong with playing with your boobs all day? If I was a girl, of course I'd play with my boobs all day. Unfortunately, however, I'm not, so instead, I play with my balls all day. Besides, what’s wrong with playing with your boobs all day?

If I was a girl, of course I’d play with my boobs all day. Unfortunately, however, I’m not, so instead, I play with my balls all day.

]]> By: 5cents http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/comment-page-1/#comment-61 5cents Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:05:27 +0000 http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/#comment-61 Very clever answer Jennifer, I was wondering who would get drawn in and who wouldn't. Chapatikid! You got sucked right in. I don't think I would play with my boobs all day if I was a woman, they'd most likely get sore, and then I'd have to apply lotion... hahaha, that doesn't sound so bad afterall! Only playing! Apparently I cannot fathom what it feels like to be intimidated as a woman, because I am not one... I'd beg to differ but I suspect I will have to beg in another article and I don't want to come across as... you know... a beggar! I did do some research on Mr. Whedon and I suppose his efforts to empower women are somewhat admirable. Still, I also think he is a bit of an extremist and his article on the stoning was miles off topic. Next time Mr. Whedon wants to mouth off about men and foreign cultures, perhaps he should do his homework. Also, I understand that Buffy was a show about women kicking ass (how could any viewer miss that?) but I still think it wasn't that great a show... and of course, I am entitled to my own opinion which should be just as worthy as your own. I'm a fan of vampire movies too.. "Women are universally oppressed except for some in urban centers..." Well I totally disagree. You'd have to travel extensively and visit all the major cultures/races and then analyze the interaction between men and women to really see who was on top... it's a very subtle issue. Is the housewife oppressed because she is a housewife and not a career woman? What if she bosses her hubby around when he comes home, if she is the one who decides what the house looks like, where the kids go to school, who they marry, what career decisions the hubby makes, etc. Is she the oppressor or is she still the oppressed because she is but a housewife? I fully believe women are smarter than men. So essentially you are saying that because half the world's population is physically stronger than the other, we've come out on top? Come on... most men could be hoodwinked by a woman in ten seconds. I think the physical imbalance is negated by the mental one (which is in women's favor). The playing field is equal and actually, there is parity (mostly). Jennugus, you are right, this is an issue of humanity and human rights. I don't believe this video was an attempt to exercise fear and control. In this case, the video spread first through the net as a viral video and was then picked up by TV. I don't believe there was an agenda of fear or control in this particular case (unlike the beheading videos). Just a bunch of (most likely) uneducated wankers posting viral footage on the net. I do agree it could stoke the egos of the perpetrators but it should simultaneously stoke the rage of the just to the point of action (which in this case, it sort of did). Finally I don't think it lowers the US to the level of the perpetrators to display the footage. I'll refer back to the pictures of the My Lai massacre. They were horrendous but it was vital they were conveyed to the US public via the media... pictures/movies are the easiest way to educate the public about what is going on. Anyway, you're right, these guys are on a different moral and ethical system, I don't think they could be reasoned with... how could you possibly kill a 17 year old girl?? In short, the Dua Khalil episode was a tragedy. Hopefully one where the root causes can be fixed with time, compassion and education. Joss Whedon is still a wanker (sorry Roti!). Buffy sucks (not because she is a woman though) and Alice (from Resident Evil) kicks ass! Very clever answer Jennifer, I was wondering who would get drawn in and who wouldn’t.

Chapatikid! You got sucked right in. I don’t think I would play with my boobs all day if I was a woman, they’d most likely get sore, and then I’d have to apply lotion… hahaha, that doesn’t sound so bad afterall! Only playing!

Apparently I cannot fathom what it feels like to be intimidated as a woman, because I am not one… I’d beg to differ but I suspect I will have to beg in another article and I don’t want to come across as… you know… a beggar! I did do some research on Mr. Whedon and I suppose his efforts to empower women are somewhat admirable. Still, I also think he is a bit of an extremist and his article on the stoning was miles off topic. Next time Mr. Whedon wants to mouth off about men and foreign cultures, perhaps he should do his homework.

Also, I understand that Buffy was a show about women kicking ass (how could any viewer miss that?) but I still think it wasn’t that great a show… and of course, I am entitled to my own opinion which should be just as worthy as your own. I’m a fan of vampire movies too..

“Women are universally oppressed except for some in urban centers…” Well I totally disagree. You’d have to travel extensively and visit all the major cultures/races and then analyze the interaction between men and women to really see who was on top… it’s a very subtle issue. Is the housewife oppressed because she is a housewife and not a career woman? What if she bosses her hubby around when he comes home, if she is the one who decides what the house looks like, where the kids go to school, who they marry, what career decisions the hubby makes, etc. Is she the oppressor or is she still the oppressed because she is but a housewife?

I fully believe women are smarter than men. So essentially you are saying that because half the world’s population is physically stronger than the other, we’ve come out on top? Come on… most men could be hoodwinked by a woman in ten seconds. I think the physical imbalance is negated by the mental one (which is in women’s favor). The playing field is equal and actually, there is parity (mostly).

Jennugus, you are right, this is an issue of humanity and human rights.

I don’t believe this video was an attempt to exercise fear and control. In this case, the video spread first through the net as a viral video and was then picked up by TV. I don’t believe there was an agenda of fear or control in this particular case (unlike the beheading videos). Just a bunch of (most likely) uneducated wankers posting viral footage on the net. I do agree it could stoke the egos of the perpetrators but it should simultaneously stoke the rage of the just to the point of action (which in this case, it sort of did). Finally I don’t think it lowers the US to the level of the perpetrators to display the footage. I’ll refer back to the pictures of the My Lai massacre. They were horrendous but it was vital they were conveyed to the US public via the media… pictures/movies are the easiest way to educate the public about what is going on. Anyway, you’re right, these guys are on a different moral and ethical system, I don’t think they could be reasoned with… how could you possibly kill a 17 year old girl??

In short, the Dua Khalil episode was a tragedy. Hopefully one where the root causes can be fixed with time, compassion and education. Joss Whedon is still a wanker (sorry Roti!). Buffy sucks (not because she is a woman though) and Alice (from Resident Evil) kicks ass!

]]> By: jennifer http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/comment-page-1/#comment-60 jennifer Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:03:38 +0000 http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/#comment-60 Wow, smackdown by The_Chapati_Kid :) When I initially watched the video, I did not consider it a feminist issue, but a humanist one. Upon further reading, apparently her gender is significant. I do think that these kinds of videos are desensitizing. After the VA tech shootings, attorneys for the networks (not nbc of course) said that showing them puts the US on the same level as the countries where these kinds of crimes happen (and are encouraged) since they always air them to the public as a way to exercise power, fear, and control. It also encourages and strokes the ego's of the groups who perform these violent acts. This makes sense to me and I definitely don't disagree with it. That said, I don't think that showing videos alone propagates the violence. The types of individuals who condone and commit acts like the stoning are operating on a different moral and value system than say, me or the people with whom I associate. This is a bigger issue than women's rights....it's human rights. Wow, smackdown by The_Chapati_Kid :)
When I initially watched the video, I did not consider it a feminist issue, but a humanist one. Upon further reading, apparently her gender is significant. I do think that these kinds of videos are desensitizing. After the VA tech shootings, attorneys for the networks (not nbc of course) said that showing them puts the US on the same level as the countries where these kinds of crimes happen (and are encouraged) since they always air them to the public as a way to exercise power, fear, and control. It also encourages and strokes the ego’s of the groups who perform these violent acts. This makes sense to me and I definitely don’t disagree with it.
That said, I don’t think that showing videos alone propagates the violence. The types of individuals who condone and commit acts like the stoning are operating on a different moral and value system than say, me or the people with whom I associate. This is a bigger issue than women’s rights….it’s human rights.

]]> By: Chapatikid http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/comment-page-1/#comment-59 Chapatikid Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:02:42 +0000 http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/#comment-59 Also, if you think women aren't universally oppressed, despite the strides we may have made in urban centres of the world, you need to seriously re-examine where you're getting your information from. Also, if you think women aren’t universally oppressed, despite the strides we may have made in urban centres of the world, you need to seriously re-examine where you’re getting your information from.

]]> By: Chapatikid http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Chapatikid Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:02:04 +0000 http://backwomb.com/2007/05/27/stoning-young-girls-redux-the-sexes/#comment-58 I would say that a lot of what you've stated rises out of ignorance. Maybe you should imagine what it feels like to be a woman -- and get past the playing with your own boobs all day part of it. Personally, I only have to imagine what violence against a woman must be like to understand its gravity and horror. I don't have to see it. Why? Because as a woman, I've been intimidated enough times by men -- sometimes just walking down the street and having someone follow me -- to not have to watch a woman being abused and violated to understand what it means. It's too bad you think so little of Joss Whedon. Perhaps if you took the time to educate yourself about the man and his work, and what it means to young women who are trying to empower themselves, you'd have more respect for him. Buffy, as poor an opinion as you have about it, given your ignorance of its greater themes, is not as much about killing vampires as it is about being a woman who can kick ass -- literally and figuratively -- despite the odds. And that's why feminists -- men and women -- love it. So next time you mouth off about Joss, do your homework first. I would say that a lot of what you’ve stated rises out of ignorance. Maybe you should imagine what it feels like to be a woman — and get past the playing with your own boobs all day part of it. Personally, I only have to imagine what violence against a woman must be like to understand its gravity and horror. I don’t have to see it. Why? Because as a woman, I’ve been intimidated enough times by men — sometimes just walking down the street and having someone follow me — to not have to watch a woman being abused and violated to understand what it means. It’s too bad you think so little of Joss Whedon. Perhaps if you took the time to educate yourself about the man and his work, and what it means to young women who are trying to empower themselves, you’d have more respect for him. Buffy, as poor an opinion as you have about it, given your ignorance of its greater themes, is not as much about killing vampires as it is about being a woman who can kick ass — literally and figuratively — despite the odds. And that’s why feminists — men and women — love it. So next time you mouth off about Joss, do your homework first.

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